Showing posts with label epoxy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label epoxy. Show all posts

Sunday, August 15, 2021

More on Refurbishing Chicken Waterers

 Well, this was interesting.


I coated the three-gallon waterer and the replacement two-gallon one with epoxy.  I mixed up enough epoxy to do both, and started with the three-gallon tankard.  It went well.  Then I moved onto the second, and it also...started off well.  Soon I noticed the epoxy beginning to get thick; then it was like cottage cheese; then it ceased to be usable.  This all happened over the course of about three minutes.

I recognized what was happening, and sped up.  As you can see, the interior is a little chunky, but overall it's serviceable.  What I didn't get to was the outside pan for the second one or the tops for either one.  Fortunately, I was prioritizing my coverage--though I'm sad for the lost epoxy.  It's too bad I didn't do some research first.  Those two links suggest that under hot conditions (it was upper 80s when I did this) the working time might be as short as 20 minutes or so, and that's probably about what I got out of it.  So for the future, only one can be done at a time.

I still have one more to do (the one I got off eBay) and more epoxy, so I'll probably give it another go--and maybe try to put the finishing touches on the two from this second effort.  Next time I'll be working with a stopwatch, too.



Sunday, July 18, 2021

More on Galvanized Waterers

 So far the epoxy coating is holding up well, but it will be a few months before I'll know if it really helps.

Meanwhile, the 'relatively new' 3-gallon waterer referred to in the previous post is definitely showing early signs of failure after about a month of daily use:


It's scheduled for epoxy before any additional use, but it would probably start rusting within another month with no intervention.


Sunday, July 4, 2021

Refurbishing the Waterer

 My favorite poultry waterer is a two-gallon vacuum model made by Miller Manufacturing.  It can't be used with apple cider vinegar (two tablespoons per gallon is often used for chicken health).  I have plastic waterers for that.

Unfortunately, my waterer soon began to rust.  This is how it looked after about nine months of more or less daily use.


Online, I found a few possible explanations:

1. Faulty manufacture

2. Hard or acidic water

3. Adding vinegar to the water

4. Cheap construction, aka, they don't make them like they used to


I could rule out 3, because I had avoided that.  I had well test data for 2, and it was a possibility.  My old well water had a pH of 6.2, and the new well's water is still acidic, although less so at 6.6.  Both wells produce what the reports called 'slightly hard water.' Miller Manufacturing very graciously replaced my waterer but suggested that my water was probably to blame.

On backyardchickens.com, some people indicated that they had older galvanized waterers that had no rust after extensive use, but that new ones had rusted rapidly. They believed in their own cases that 4 was the culprit for their new ones that had corroded.

I bought an old galvanized waterer off of eBay of uncertain vintage and found it soon showed signs of rusting, too.

So I decided to adapt an idea I saw on backyardchickens.com by user dcwatson84--I got some pond liner epoxy and rust treatment. It's pond safe, so shouldn't pose any toxicity problems.

First, the rust needed to be removed. I used Evapo-Rust, which worked well, although it was very slow.  Because I didn't want to buy a sufficient quantity to immerse the waterer, I soaked paper towels and placed them over rusty spots per the directions.  It took up to 24 hours for the rust to (mostly) disappear, but most areas had to be saturated a couple of times because some spots in treated areas didn't have good contact with the towels the first time around.  It took a week of daily (or semi-daily) towel soakings and changes.

Then when I got the epoxy, I was surprised to see that it called for using an 'etching primer' and pre-sanding with 60 grit.  I had some 150 grit and wasn't coating a comparatively rough-surfaced pond, so I decided to give the 150 a try, sans primer (I had looked for some immersible paint or primer and only found Rust-Oleum 8400 [>$100 per gallon] as a possibility).  Because of the former rust, I reasoned that it was already somewhat roughened, anyway. 

Unlike the original poster, I did not coat the whole thing.  The epoxy is expensive, and if limited to water-contact areas, one 1.5-quart ($50! 😢) set should be enough to do several waterers.  Plus, people have in the past suggested that I am exceptionally cheap-another said something about being so tight that twanging in the wind was a possibility.  So mostly just the interior was coated, though I also did the outside pan--even though it did not have any rust (yet).

I also did not remove the rubber stopper but tried to paint around it.  Some epoxy ran down and stuck to it, anyway, so I carefully cut around it with a utility knife after the epoxy cured.  The result functions about like it did pre-epoxy.


Although it looks wet, it is dry in the picture above.  It dries glossy.  You can see where it's not very thick in some areas; it remains to be seen if rust will occur there.  This does not seem to have hurt and may help.

 

I have three more metal waterers--two that are new (the replacement 2-gallon one) or relatively new (a 3-gallon waterer that has seen only limited use and so far has no rust).  For the new ones, I plan to prophylactically sand and epoxy those, as well.  The eBay one that is now rusting will need to be pre-treated to eliminate its rust.

If I get three done with the $50 worth of epoxy, that's an extra $17 (roughly) in each waterer, plus a significant time cost (or $12.50 with four waterers done; I doubt it could do many or any more than that).  That may or may not be worth it going forward, even before questions of durability of the epoxy coating are answered.

But there is one bright side: the chickens are showing no ill signs after drinking out of it for a while.  I assumed it'd be safe, but one never knows for sure in advance...